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Topic Subject:Question about RAF and the whole starforce issue.
keipark
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posted 06-13-06 00:27 AM EDT (US)         
Will there be a patch released that will delete starforce?
Like many others, iw as looking forward to buy this game but just reading about starforce has changed my mind.
Anyone know if there will be a patch?
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GoSailing
EEH Seraph
posted 06-13-06 00:33 AM EDT (US)     1 / 24       
Nope. There is no way to know if there will be, and if there will be one, they wouldnt say it now, because the supposed pirates would wait for the patch, then pirate the game... Stay on the forums for a few months and you will see I guess.

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Carthage
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posted 06-13-06 08:57 AM EDT (US)     2 / 24       
been away from this forum for a while what is starforce.

Carthage
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Talon Karrde
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posted 06-13-06 09:04 AM EDT (US)     3 / 24       
its a protection program against piracy that many find disagreeable, in short

Bah.
Chonaman
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posted 06-13-06 09:13 AM EDT (US)     4 / 24       
StarForce is the copy protection used by Rise and Fall (not a virus, spyware, trojan or malware, as some have characterized it). It is running on my system every time I play R&F, and I've had no problems at all. As I've noted before, there have been some credible reports that the StarForce drivers may conflict with other system drivers (which is nothing new to Windows users, if you've ever installed software before). There is no credible evidence that it physically damages hardware or does anything that can't be corrected.

I understand why some people are scared of StarForce, but from what I've seen, there is nothing to fear, and serious gamers can take the approach I have to minimize or eliminate problems by building their gaming platform appropriately.

There has been some healthy debate about it in the forums.


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Carthage
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posted 06-13-06 12:39 PM EDT (US)     5 / 24       
Thanks alot understand now.

Carthage
And beyond, green fields under a swift sunrise
Oh well, thats not so bad, is it?
No, no it's not

Proud joint winner of the M2TWH Saladin award
smccann
Noble (VIP)
posted 06-13-06 12:50 PM EDT (US)     6 / 24       
Chonaman, that is the single most succinct and accurate description of StarForce that I've ever seen, even internally.

So, needless to say, I agree with Chonaman's description. Thanks!

Breepee
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posted 06-14-06 02:43 AM EDT (US)     7 / 24       

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I understand why some people are scared of StarForce, but from what I've seen, there is nothing to fear, and serious gamers can take the approach I have to minimize or eliminate problems by building their gaming platform appropriately.

The point is however that even with properly built systems the StarForce software still can cause small problems, such as killing your game because it it's badly coded and suddenly decided that your game CD/DVD wasn't legal after all (and upen relauch of the game it all works again, till the next 'period' of the software).

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which is nothing new to Windows users, if you've ever installed software before

Well, I must say since I switched over to Windows 2000 in 2000, and to XP two years later, I've rarely encountered problems like these. The system I have now (and use to game on) is 1.5 yrs old and has not ever in it's existence had any driver-issue/software/conflict/error/whatever since I put it together. Still Starforce is a little iffy.

Aside from all that, Starforce is a thing no-one should want, not even tolerate because they want to play games. It's bad software and making the lives of honest gamers only more difficult, it's made by a dispicable company with dispicable tactics... It's just something I don't want in my house.

I by the way heard the version sold in Germany has no StarForce at all. I do not know if the speech of the game has been translated, but I'll try to find out and perhaps buy it from there.

_o0XxX0o_
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posted 06-14-06 03:25 AM EDT (US)     8 / 24       
I would think that playing a game without having to have the cd/dvd in the cd/dvd rom drive would be a real plus. Isn't there any way to encrypt a cd key so that it can't be installed on a computer without say, being verified on an internet site, as being installable once only?

I mean even with StarForce, people can still put the same game from the same cd/dvd on multiple computers. The only drawback is the cd has to be in the rom drive. The disc image can still be copied. StarForce only stops no cd use.

And Starforce only stops warez cracks and emulators. Cd keys just stop the same id number from playing online at the same time(well maybe not ip games, but the game could keep tabs on that by reporting id numbers every time they go online.

Let's say a person buys the game. He installs it with an encrypted online certified key. He later goes back saying the comp crashed and he needs to reinstall. He tries to put it on another computer. Then if he ever uses the old "lost" version and tries to go online, the internet catches the old version, and sends a signal command to destroy the old version. Problem solved.


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tFighterPilot
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posted 06-14-06 03:35 AM EDT (US)     9 / 24       

Quote:

Let's say a person buys the game. He installs it with an encrypted online certified key. He later goes back saying the comp crashed and he needs to reinstall. He tries to put it on another computer. Then if he ever uses the old "lost" version and tries to go online, the internet catches the old version, and sends a signal command to destroy the old version. Problem solved.

Maybe it's because I'm tired, but I don't think that paragraph made much of a sense.
_o0XxX0o_
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posted 06-14-06 03:46 AM EDT (US)     10 / 24       
Call it a reverse cd key. It can only be used once, and to get another cd key, a new game commponent is downloaded so that the new reintallation can be done only once. At that point the old installation with it's old cd key is made invalid. And by invalid, I mean can't be used online at all without it being validated online by a "checker" internet site.

Microsoft requires that XP must be registered and validated every time it is put on a computer, or it will cease to function in 30 days. Why not do that for games? Make it so every time it is installed, it has a unique identity, and all the old installation identities are invalid. No CD in rom required, No valid copies. If you're caught, You have to buy a new game, because all the old(and new) versions are ""blocked" or "torpedoed".


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[This message has been edited by _o0XxX0o_ (edited 06-14-2006 @ 04:09 AM).]

tFighterPilot
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posted 06-14-06 04:15 AM EDT (US)     11 / 24       
So in case someone else uses your cd key (using a keygen), it will cause your copy to stop working? I don't think it's such a good idea.

Window XP's cd key can be use several times.

_o0XxX0o_
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posted 06-14-06 04:43 AM EDT (US)     12 / 24       
Online cd key validation. The key that has to be used to install or reinstall, is different every time, negating the old key(s) from valid use. Have the game do a mandatory registration upon installation, verifying that the key is valid. If someone tries to use a key that has already been used or is currently in use to install, Boom! You can't.

Having to use a new key would require that there be an predetermined, progressive encrypted CD key generator that is unique to that copy of the game. And that only the game company knows what those numbers are for each copy of the game.

Then upon verifying that online, the game is sent an encrypted, algorithmic "approval" by an Internet site, that it is "OK" to activate or install the game.


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[This message has been edited by _o0XxX0o_ (edited 06-14-2006 @ 04:50 AM).]

Breepee
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posted 06-14-06 06:52 AM EDT (US)     13 / 24       
The thing is, everything can be cracked and copied. I'd say forget about all the copyprotection, because it's only a hassle to everyone. Playing w/o a CD is very comfy and probably keeps the media (on which the game is) in better shape.

If you want to do something, just require a legal serial (and verify by calling a server) to (multi)play. Of course, can be circumvented too, but at least there no chance of troubles with the media containing the game and stupid software like Starforce that goes way too deep into the system.

_o0XxX0o_
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posted 06-14-06 07:28 AM EDT (US)     14 / 24       
I don't think a well designed encrypted algorithm communication file between your computer and the game site can be hacked.

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XWolfGhost
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posted 06-14-06 08:25 AM EDT (US)     15 / 24       
I am thinking that Starforce does nothing. I have had it on my computer for a while now and there has been no problem. Its not going to stop me from buying R&F
Scriptz
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posted 06-17-06 01:29 PM EDT (US)     16 / 24       
Quick question plz....

Will Starforce uninstall TOTALLY from my cpu when I uninstall the game?

tFighterPilot
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posted 06-17-06 01:40 PM EDT (US)     17 / 24       
First of all, if you don't know what a word means, don't use it. CPU means Central Processing Unit, IE, processor.

Second of all, no, you'll need to download the StarForce remover tool to remove StarForce.

Scriptz
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posted 06-17-06 01:50 PM EDT (US)     18 / 24       
wow guy... need a lay? Calm down there buddy... its gonna be ok, I promise rofl. Thanks for the info, but not for the attitude, try taking the kawk out of your behind you may feel better. =)
tFighterPilot
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posted 06-17-06 02:24 PM EDT (US)     19 / 24       
oh, stfu, would you? I'm giving you information so you won't make the same mistake in the future, and you get all sensitive as if I just talked about you mother's sexual preferences? I'm not the one who needs to calm down here.

[This message has been edited by tFighterPilot (edited 06-17-2006 @ 02:24 PM).]

Lucifer66
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posted 06-26-06 01:04 PM EDT (US)     20 / 24       
Well here is a link on starforce that I found saying that starforce can accually damage your pc from using a LEGAL copy of the game.

http://www.similarities.org/starforce.html

I did like the demo of this game and I was gonna buy it, but I would rather not take a chance on breaking my pc. I really just came here to find out if this game does use starforce cuz I want no part of it. I understand protecting thier software but they don't need to break my pc to do it.

BattleRoyale
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posted 06-26-06 03:16 PM EDT (US)     21 / 24       
woah tFighterPilot dude. careful. a lot of people use cpu as a slang reference to their computer.

just like i might say, "Will Starforce uninstall TOTALLY from my box when I uninstall the game?"

guenthar
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posted 06-27-06 11:59 AM EDT (US)     22 / 24       
To _o0XxX0o_

They wouldn't hack the data that goes over the internet but make a crack for the game that removes the encrypted key protection from the game or at least makes it so the game doesn't send the cd-key out to the company. You can't use Windows XP as an example since there are cracks out for their activation.

PS. Anyways for a company to put a unique cd-key for each and every copy of a game would cost so much money that it would probably put them out of business. Currently companies just use something simular to a key built into the game that says what requirements need to be met for the cd-key to be valid.

chiko
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posted 06-28-06 03:29 AM EDT (US)     23 / 24       
starforce doesnt stop emulators, nocd cracks, or any of the such, it just makes it a slight bit harder, but a mini iso, can easily be made, and an update to daemon tools, or similar is easily made and applied
Chonaman
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posted 06-28-06 10:55 AM EDT (US)     24 / 24       
This forum is not a place to discuss cracks for StarForce. Please redirect the conversation or this thread will be closed immediately. Thanks.

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